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Last post 07-12-2008 10:02 PM by joe t. 6 replies.
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  • 06-27-2008 10:39 AM

    Seasonal Riding Issues

    I need some technical advice.  I am considering extending my commute by bicycle into the colder darker months.  What kind of setup for a bicycle should I be planning for?

  • 06-27-2008 3:04 PM In reply to

    • Ken
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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

     Buy as much expensive cold-weather gear as you can get your hands on, in order to guarantee a mild winter. (kidding)

     My regular commuter (Bridgestone CB-0 with road drops), with fenders, lights and Avocet Cross tires, is good for 95% of conditions throughout the year. In wet weather you have to keep a closer eye on your brake alignment and drivetrain lubrication, but that's about it.

    I built a single-speed mountain bike for really awful winter conditions. It's got studded tires, fenders, and really wide BMX-style pedals so I can ride while wearing snowboots, but otherwise it's nothing special. The reason for this bike is 1) de-icer is really hard on your drivetrain, and derailleurs tend to not function very well when they're really cold or crusted with ice 2) studded tires suck unless you're riding on compact snow, so it's good to have a second bike (or wheelset) to switch to, and 3) the flat bars, aggressive stance and high trail of the mountain bike make it easier to handle on crappy streets. It's probably geared too high for much of the South Hill, but for my northside-downtown commute, it's unstoppable. Didn't miss a commute this winter, and sometimes, I kind of miss the snow (not very often, though).

     I resisted having a "winter bike" for a long time, but this winter finally sold me on the idea, and I wouldn't go back. The $100 or so it'll cost to build will be well worth the wear-and-tear you save on your regular commuter. 

    But if you're not planning to ride in snow and ice, whatever bike you're on now will probably be just fine (assuming you've got fenders and lights).

     

  • 06-29-2008 9:48 AM In reply to

    • bleckb
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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

    Ken's advice is good, but I took a different approach. I have to say, though, that my regular commuter is also my snow commuter, and it's a Surly Double Cross, a cyclecross frame with 700c tires. In the soft snow, the greater degree of weight on the front wheel was a little troubling and skittish at time. Although I had some fairly wide tires, that much weight forward led to a squirrely front end on the soft stuff, even more so when it was deep and fresh. As Ken noted, because I had studded snow tires, things went better on compact snow and ice. 

     My set up required that I take off my normal fenders, planet earth full coverage, as much as they provide full coverage. I also had to take off my rack, both because the tires were too tall and wide. I forget exactly what size my tires are, but they are studded snow tires, the sort of which are available from any bike store. They are at least 45 wide, maybe wider. The cyclecross frame allows for a pretty wide tire. Now that I mention it, I was able to keep the front fender on with the wider tires. It was the rear that just wouldn't fit. The rack either. What I ended up doing was taking a fender designed for a front suspension fork and attaching it to the cross bar in the seat stays where the regular fender would also attach. It worked well enough, keeping off most of the slop, but not all of it. 

     I also had to switch from panniers to a back pack. While I have the fenders back on for spring, summer and fall, I've not reattached the rack because I like the look of the bike without the rack and just use a backpack for commutes and errands. 

     For lights, I went two ways. One is a princetec fairly high power four-way light, with both LED and halogen. I don't think they make this model anymore, having replaced the halogen bulb with something else. This light is more about "Seeing" than being seen. I also have an LED cateye that flashes for being seen. I have no way to know how much more likely someone is to see me because of the flashing light, but I tend to run the steady and the flashing together. For the rear, I've read somewhere that during low light or dusky conditions, a steady taillight is a better, but during dark, the flashing is better.  I tend to use the flashing all the time desite this. My flash has a sorta random setting that I use so it is less likely to entrance a driver. I've also heard of a study from Germany that indicated that drunk drivers are more "attracted" to a flashing light, attracted in a bad way, as in they steer into flashing lights. You may want to look into all this stuff I've heard because I'm not sure how valid any of it is. 

     For clothes, I have pearl izumi amfib tights to keep out the cold, smartwood socks and my regular bike shoes, Sidi something. I also have PI amfib shoe covers to keep my feet fairly warm and dry. When it was really cold, even though I had wool socks, shoes and the covers, I couldn't do much more than an hour of riding before my toes got too cold. I have a variety of long sleeved jerseys, polypro long underwear tops and a rain coat to block the wind. It worked pretty well in teh cold. I've also ridden with a softshell jacket that works pretty well, depending on the conditions. 

    Finally, cover your head, with either a skull cap that covers your ears, or a balalcava, not to be confused with baklava, which tastes better but doesn't keep your ears or head warm. For the coldest of days, I used ski goggles. Before going for the goggles, my glasses not only fogged up, but froze up, which limits visibility and made things a little dicier than I liked. 

    Winter cycling is almost like cross country skiing in how you have to dress. You should be cold at first. If you aren't, you are over dressed. Even then, you want to be able to open zippers and other vents to keep from sweating too much unless you'll be somewhere warm and dry fairly soon. 

    bradley
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  • 06-29-2008 11:55 AM In reply to

    • Pat S
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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

    It's great to hear that you want to ride into the fall/winter. Every year I enter the fall riding season determined to ride farther and more often into the winter months.  And every year I have some new strategy.  The point being that off-season skills and strategies are developed and evolve over time.  One thing that's for sure is that advice will only get you so far because off-season riding is a very personalized experience - different people have greatly different needs and you have to find what works for you by trying different things.  There's a ton of great discussion on sites like bikeforums.net that will give you all kinds of different schools of thought on every aspect of off season riding and then you can decide what makes the most sense to you as a starting point.  Clothing and lighting are the two biggest areas you will need to address to get you deep into the fall.  True winter riding presents challenges in other areas.

    Off season riding is definitely full of challenges, but the really worthwhile kind.  What's required for a ride in October is going be a lot diffent than what's needed to ride in January, so it's probably good to set some realistic goals about what you want to do.  For instance make a goal of riding three times a week all the way through October.  Or whatever.  Then you can tailor your equipment to meeting that goal.  If you find that you like it, you can ride farther into the winter, or choose to take it a step further the following winter.

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  • 07-11-2008 11:00 PM In reply to

    • Mike S
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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

    Good thread.   It's nice to get ideas from everyone. I think if you ask 10 winter riders, you'll get 10 preferences.  My basic strategy over the years has been to just keep riding as fall turns into winter.  As the weather gets colder and the roads get nastier each week, I slowly modify my set-up to match the conditions.  Here's my current set up for winter commuting and riding:

    Bikes:

    Until ,the snow gets deeper than 2 inches, or there is excessive ice on the ground, I use my 700c cyclocross bike with various tires; either knobby cross tires, (Michilin Mud last year), or touring tires like the Panaracer Pasela's. When I ride the 'cross bike in rain or wet snow, I put SKS road bike fenders on.  They're easy to mount/unmount quickly.

    In deep snow or ice, I prefer my Surly 1x1 with 26 x 2.4inch tires.  I find the mountain bike to be more stable in slippery conditions.  I run about 20 psi in the snow and ice for good grip. I sometimes use studded tires if the streets are glare ice.  But I get frustrated with the high rolling resistance of studs on anything else but glare ice.  With a little bit of finesse, you can concur almost any conditions with unstudded knobbies, and go much faster.

     There's not much worse than having your bike stop working on a 15 degree day. Single speed is the way to go in the snow because there is absolutely no chance of having your drivetrain get iced up and stop working. Hydraulic disc brakes are also fairly trouble free in the snow and ice.  Rim brakes are worthless in the winter, as far as I can tell. 

    Sometimes I'll go with fenders on the mountain bike if the snow is wet.

     

     Clothing:

    Base layer: merino wool all the time.

    Shell: windstopper jacket of some sort

    Pants: Foxwear rain pants (not Fox, but Foxwear from Salmon Idaho: http://www.foxwear.net/products_pants.html  They're warm and dry.

    Hat: windstopper cap--> full on balaclava, depending on the temp

    Gloves: REI snowboarding gloves.  Wish list for 2009 winter includes PI lobster claw AmFibs

    Shoes: My Lake 300mxz's rock, but after 7 seasons, mine are shot.   I like Pat S's new Lake 301's and might buy some this year

     Lights:

    Commuting: 

    Front: flashing white CatEye 400 (LED), or Light and Motion Vega

    Rear: LED flasher of some sort

    Extended night outings:  Light and Motion arc HID. love it, but it's overkill for just riding down the street to work.

    There, now we're ready for winter, and it's still July!  Bring it on.

     

     

    One-Less-Car
  • 07-12-2008 8:07 PM In reply to

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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

    The length and severity (and depth) of last winter really made me want a fatter tired multi-geared bike. My main bikes last year was a fat-tired fixed gear mountain bike and an old trek 720 set up with 700c studs that was also fixed. The fixed part solves the brake issue for the most part -- especially at the slow speeds that the deep snow forced.

     But Joe got a Karate Monkey last year and was golden all winter long with the mongo knobbies he had on there. I think they were about 2.3"

     I think studded tires are over-rated. As Mike mentions: for ice, they can't be beat. And for that really cold, hard-packed snow that acts like ice they are good. Otherwise, they're a pain: heavy; slow; way more than you need for most winter riding. WHne you ride in snow you just need knobbies.

     I think this year I'm going to go for an internal hub fat tire bike as my main snow bike, and keep the the old trek 720 studded for those icey days. John Gaz, down at REI just build up an internal geared 700c cruiser type that may work well for snow... it's got disc brakes too. I may try something similar.

     My hang up is the frame. I don't want go and spend a gob of money on the frame, but the ancient mountain bikes with crazy slack geometry just kill me. Maybe I can find a 1x1 used. Or just use a chain tensioner on some normal mountain bike.

    Lighting: I go generator hub. WIth the new generation of LED's it's getting crazy to run anything else for non-trail riding. I borrowed a bike from a friend of mine that was running the new BM Lumotec IQ Fly (whihc is an LED light wired to a dynohub) and I was amazed at the light it threw. I've been running dyno/incandecent lights for a few years and I'm happy with them, but the new LED/dyno stuff is crazy bright and lights up at about 4mph. It's a chunk of change up front, but not much worse than a good halogen/high-zoot rechargable set up. And once it's on -- you never have to worry about lighting again. Just ride.

    Clothes: many thin layers of wool. O2 rain jacket for shell. thinish wool gloves with a couple different mitten-y shells - one for wet one for cold/wet. My favorite is an outdoor research model. must have smartwool neck gaiter. scarves are a pain. smart wool beanie.

    This year I'm going to buy the Lake boots. I've resisted for years and missed out on some good riding and ruined otherwise good rides with frozen toes.

    I don't miss winter. I'm loving this spring/summer.

  • 07-12-2008 10:02 PM In reply to

    • joe t
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    Re: Seasonal Riding Issues

    Chiming in here, the tires I ran last winter were 2.1 29ers on the monkey. The key for me was the disc brake, the year before I rode the frist snow and nearly slid onto Rockwood blvd because the rim brakes didn't do much where as the discs worked great. I ran gear and never had any issuses with gears freezing up, I think with the 29er the derailers are enough higher up to keep from icing up but that's just a guess.

     

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